Affidavit of support I-864 and I-864A

конечно, откажут, если нет достаточного дохода. Варианты есть. Найти других спонсоров, граждан или резидентов США, с достаточным доходом и желающих подписать его на вас на 10 лет.

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Доброго времени суток всем. Жена петиционер, в США не проживала с 2008 года, соответственно налоги там тоже не платила. В РФ ее доход мягко говоря не дотягивает до уровня США. Там у нее есть мать (моя теща) которая нормально зарабатывает. Можем ли мы использовать доходы матери в качестве спонсорских? И если да то что нужно заполнить?

если жена не проживала в США с 2008 года и не платила там налоги, она давно уже утратила свою ГК.
Она хоть бывала в США с 2008 года?

Теща не может быть спонсором. Спонсором должна быть жена. Теща может быть ко-спонсором. Но все это - moot point, если жена утратила свою ГК.

может она гражданка?

гражданка

гражданам необходимо файлить налоги в США и платить налоги с worldwide income.

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Но она с 2008 не имела доходов в США. Т.Е. делаю вывод что и файлить не надо не чего?

worldwide income это конечно все понятно. Но что нам делать то? Понятное дело она не чего не платила.

Люси имела ввиду что она все равно должна была подавать декларацию в штатах даже если она здесь не живет и работает в другой стране.

Для петиционера обязательным условием является проживание в США (есть исключения).

Is Residence in the U.S. Required for the U.S. Sponsor?
Yes. As a U.S. sponsor/petitioner, you must maintain your principal residence (also called domicile) in the United States, which is where you plan to live for the foreseeable future. Living in the U.S. is required for a U.S. sponsor to file the Affidavit of Support, with few exceptions. To learn more, review the Affidavit of Support (I-864 or I-864EZ) Instructions

Family-based Immigrant Visas

Вывод неверный.

PS При соблюдении прочих условий, теща может быть коспонсором.

Trebovania dlia peticionera projivat’ v USA net. Odnako, dlia teh petitionerov, kotorye ne jivut v USA, est’ trebovanie namerevat’sia pereehat’ v USA vmeste s immigrantom. Jena doljna budet poehat’ v USA jit’ s vami.
Jena failit I-864, a tesca - I-864a. Nadeius’, tesca ne na SSI.
Jena ne obiazana failit’ tax return v USA esli zarabatyvaet menee ~$5K dohoda v god, pravila sovershnno edinye i ne zavisiat ot mesta ee jitel’stva i mesta poluchenia dohoda.

Да? “Is Residence in the U.S. Required for the U.S. Sponsor? Yes.”
Что тут не понятного?
Да и толкование Domicile вполне однозначно

Domicile: Place where a person has his or her principal residence. The person must intend to keep that residence for the foreseeable future. The sponsor of an immigrant must have domicile in the United States before the visa can be issued. This generally means that the sponsor must be living in the United States. In certain circumstances, however, one can be considered to have a domicile while living temporarily living overseas.

Vy priveli citatu na temu kto mojet zapolnit’ affidavit of support, a ne kto mojet byt’ peticionerom. Naskol’ko ia ponimaiu, tesca jivet v USA, i ee affidavit priznaiut v liubom sluchae.

krome togo, ia na dniah rasskazyval sluchai pro svoego odnoklassnika, otec kotorogo v vozraste 95 let okazalsia grajdaninom USA. Ego jena (mat’ moego odnoklassnika) v vozraste 87 let poluchila immigracionnuiu vizu po peticii svoego muja, i s affidavitom svoego muja. Affidavit moego odnoklassnika ne ponadobilsia, poskol’ku ego otec poluchal dostatochnuiu pensiu v Moskve, delo oboshlos’ odnim affidavitom - ot otca odnoklasnika, projivaiuscego v Moskve s jenoi. Ochevidno, ego zaiavlenie chto on edet v USA jit’ tam s jenoi okazalos’ dostatochno dlia togo chtoby imet’ domicicle v USA

Цитата как раз про “As a U.S. sponsor/petitioner, you must maintain your principal residence (also called domicile) in the United States”.
И основным спонсором и петиционером является жена, не теща. Это как буквально читаю и вижу я.
PS Если честно, ничего не поняла про Вами описанный случай…

Net, eto pro trebovania k affidavitu. Kak minimum odin iz podpisavshih affidavit doljen imet’ namerenie jit’ v USA. V sluchae sovetuiu razobrat’sia.
Grajdanin USA, 95 let projivshii v Moskve, iz nih bolee 70 s jenoi negrajdankoi USA, edet v USA s jenoi. Podaet na immigraciu jeny v USA, vse escio jivia v Moskve. Podaet affidavit of support I-864 ot sebia. Inyh affidavitov ne trebuetsia. Jena poluchaet vizu i oni oba edut v USA. Klassicheskii primer. Ih syn 53 let toje grajdanin USA, no ne podpisyval ni peticii, ni affidavita, hotia i jivet 20 let v USA

Ну и примерчики)))

Trebovania k peticiam.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/87842.pdf

9 FAM 42.41 N4.2-2 Petitions Executed by U.S. Citizenship and
Immigration Services (USCIS) Abroad
(CT:VISA-1695; 09-19-2011)
a. USCIS officers abroad are authorized to approve Form I-130, Petition for Alien
Relative, for immediate relative status, if the petitioner is a resident of the
country where the USCIS office is located
. Petitioners who are not residents
must file petitions with the Domestic Service Center which has jurisdiction over
their place of residence. If a USCIS office is located in a country with
consulates and if that USCIS office will accept petitions by mail, the petitioner
may pay the Form I-130 filing fees at a consulate. The petitioner should
forward the petition, fee receipt, and required documentation directly to the
overseas USCIS office in his country of residence.

Trebovanii k projivaniu peticionera v USA net. Trebovanii k domicile v USA toje net. Vydelenie jirnym moe.

Trebovanie k affidavitu ne oznachaiut chto tot, kto podpisal I-864, doljen jit’ v USA. Odnako, esli on ne jivet v USA i ne imeet domicile v USA, teoreticheski kto-to iz teh, kto jivet v USA, doljen podpisat’ I-864A. Chtoby byla vozmojnost’ sudit’ na den’gi kogo-to.

То, что Вы показываете, как раз относится к исключениям.
Как там и указано “In certain circumstances, a U.S. citizen living abroad can file an immigrant visa petition outside the United States.”
http://travel.state.gov/content/visas/english/immigrate/immigrant-process/petition/file/filing-immigrant-petitions-outside-the-u-s.html

Сорри, буду пока продолжать читать/понимать прямо, что для спонсора, что для петицонера

Is Residence in the U.S. Required for the U.S. Sponsor?
Yes. As a U.S. sponsor/petitioner, you must maintain your principal residence (also called domicile) in the United States

Nu da. Esli on jivet v strane tipa Rossii, v kotoroi est’ otdelenie USCIS, to doljen podavat’ peticiu v USCIS. A esli v strane tipa Ukrainy, v kotoroi otdelenia USCIS net, to doljen podavat’ peticiu v konsul’stve USA v etoi strane. V etom i sostoiat osobye obstoiatel’stva. esli reshit naoborot, v Rossii v konsul’stvo, a na Ukraine - v USCIS za rubejom (t.e. v Moskve), to ne primut. Poetomu net nikakoi nujdy prodoljat’ chto-to schitat’. Kstati, na forume bylo mnogo primerov, eto ne edinstvennyi. Eto prosto sovsem nedavnii primer (ego mat’ poluchila vizu v nachale dekabria 2014, i roditeli v’ehali v konce dekabria 2014), polnost’iu sootvetstvuiuscii konsul’skim instrukciam. Etot sluchai horosh tem, chto etot grajdanin USA voobsce nikogda ne jil v USA, rodilsia v Moskve i vsiu jizn’ projil v nei, pervyi raz okazalsia v USA uje za 75 po gostevoi vize.

Esli vy hotite polnost’iu proignorirovat’ zakon i praktiku, to mojete schitat’ chto hotite.

Как раз проигнорировать закон хотите Вы. (Про практику распространяться не буду. Всякие истории бывают, что тому виной - кто знает?)

9 FAM 40.41 N6.2
Defining “Sponsor” for Purposes of the Affidavit of Support (AOS)
(CT:VISA-1995; 06-06-2013)
a. To qualify as a sponsor, an individual must be a natural person (not a corporation or other business entity) who:
(1) Is a citizen, national, or lawful permanent resident (LPR) of the United States (including conditional residents);
(2) Is at least 18 years of age;
(3) Filed the petition which forms the basis for the visa application (or has a substantial interest in the entity which filed the petition); and
(4) Is domiciled in any of the 50 States of the United States, the District of Columbia, or any territory or possession of the United States. (See 9 FAM 40.41 N7 for more on “domicile”.)

b. If the petitioner does not meet the qualifying criteria to be a sponsor (for example, by being under 18 years of age or not domiciled in the United States), the visa applicant must be found ineligible for a visa under INA 212(a)(4) until such circumstance no longer exists.
c. The “sponsor” for purposes of the AOS is the petitioner; anyone else is either a joint or co-sponsor. All references to requirements for the “sponsor” or “sponsors” would apply not only to the petitioner sponsor, but also to any co-sponsor household members executing Form I-864-A and joint sponsors submitting a supplementary Form I-864.

Вот если не domiciled, тогда

9 FAM 40.41 N7.1-2 Establishing the Existence of a U.S. Domicile (CT:VISA-1995; 06-06-2013)
a. A petitioner living abroad not meeting the criteria in 9 FAM 40.41 N7.1-1 who wishes to qualify as a sponsor must satisfy you:
(1) That he or she has taken steps to establish a domicile in the United States; бла-бла-бла

PS В общем, остаюсь при своем мнении.

Tam je. Dostatochno namerenia ustanovit’ domicile v USA, soglasno ukazannym usloviam.

9 FAM 40.41 N7.1-2 Establishing the Existence of a U.S.
Domicile
(CT:VISA-1995; 06-06-2013)
a. A petitioner living abroad not meeting the criteria in 9 FAM 40.41 N7.1-1 who
wishes to qualify as a sponsor must satisfy you:
(1) That he or she has taken steps to establish a domicile in the United States;
(2) That he or she has either already taken up physical residence in the United
States or will do so concurrently with the applicant;
(3) The sponsor does not have to precede the applicant to the United States
but, if he or she does not do so, he or she must at least arrive in the
United States concurrently with the applicant;
(4) The sponsor must establish an address (a house, an apartment, or
arrangements for accommodations with family or friend) and either must
have already taken up physical residence in the United States; or
(5) Must at a minimum to satisfy you that he or she intends to take up
residence there no later than the time of the applicant’s immigration to the
United States.

A imenno, kak v sluchae moego odnoklassnika, esli grajdanin USA sobiraetsia pereehat’ v USA odnovremenno s immigrantom ili do nego, etogo dostatochno. Mojno na moment zapolnenia affidavita ne imet’ domicile, a imet’ lish’ namerenie ego ustanovit’