Stat’i zakona est’ kak minimum 2, certifikat o grajdanstve i o naturalizacii podhodit pod liubuiu
V pervoi iz statei net upominania “lawful authority”, zato govoritsia
under direction of the Attorney General or the Commissioner of the Immigration and Naturalization Service
tem samym poiasniaetsia kto imenno iavliaetsia lawful authority v etom sluchae. T.e. with lawful authority - eto tot, kto poluchil razreshenie etih organov ili deistvuet po prikazu etih organov, vydannomu na kopirovanie ukazannogo dokumenta
Vo vtoroi stat’e eto lawful authority.
Ubeditel’no?
Lawful authority - eto ne tot, kto vpisan v dokument, a organ USA, kotoryi imeet authority razreshat’ kopirovanie.
If you are a U.S. citizen, you must demonstrate your status with:
A copy of your valid U.S. passport OR
A copy of your U.S. birth certificate OR
A copy of Consular Report of Birth Abroad OR
[b]A copy of your naturalization certificate OR[/b]
A copy of your certificate of citizenship
Moia interpretacia soglasuetsia s zakonom po vsem punktam. Takje ona po vsem punktam soglasuetsia s interpretaciei shustermana. Takje ona ob’iasniaet pochemu mojno kopirovat’ sertifikat dlia otpravki I-130. Takje v nei net nikakih protivorechi, kotorye zametil by hot’ kto-to.
K sojaleniu, inyh interpretacii, obladaiuscih temi je svoistvami, ia ne videl.
Ia ponimaiu pochemu vy ne ponimaete Shustermana. Potomu chto vasha kartina protivorechit ego kartine. U menia etogo neponimania net, kartiny sovpadaiut. U vas est’ inye interpretacii s sovpadaiuscei kartinoi?
Whoever, except under direction of the Attorney General or the Commissioner of the Immigration and Naturalization Service, or other proper officer, knowingly possesses any blank permit, or engraves, sells, brings into the United States, or has in his control or possession any plate in the likeness of a plate designed for the printing of permits, or makes any print, photograph, or impression in the likeness of any immigrant or nonimmigrant visa, permit or other document required for entry into the United States, or has in his possession a distinctive paper which has been adopted by the Attorney General or the Commissioner of the Immigration and Naturalization Service for the printing of such visas, permits, or documents; or
Где здесь о том, что нельзя копировать?
Человек копирует свой собственный сертификат. (Кстати он там не упомянут)
USCIS на своем сайте предлагает помощь с сертифицированными копиями, но нигде не пишет, что несертифицированные копии делать нельзя.
Poiscite slovo “photograph” i “print”. Dlia proizvodstva kopii sovremennymi sposobami ispol’zuetsia fotografirovanie, a zatem pechat’. Proizvodstvo odnoi kopii - eto 1 count of photographing i 1 count of printing.
Sertifikat v etoi stat’e upomianut pod nazvaniem “documents”
USCIS ne doljno escio gde-to pisat’ chto ih nel’zia delat’. Etogo uje trebuet zakon. USCIS lish’ mojet chto-to razreshit’ v ramkah svoei lawful authority, i togda eto budet v sootvetstvii s zakonom. Kak tol’ko vy naidete na websaite USCIS chto backup copy delat’ mojno, ia s vami soglashis’, eto budet razresheniem
Vtoroi lawful authority iavliaetsia Attorney General
I’ve read several cases posted by fellow applicants who were told by USCIS officials that they should only make black-and-white copies of the certificate.
То есть нельзя пытаться подделать, но просто черно-белая ксерокопия не считается попыткой подделки.
Poddelka tut ni pri chem. Stat’ia za liuboe kopirovanie, ne tol’ko s cel’iu poddelki. Vashemu znakomomu razreshili sdelat’ dlia opredelennoi celi odnu kopiu, no cherno-beluiu. On, ochevidno, zapisal familiu oficera USCIS, kotoryi eto razreshenie dal, i mojet eto pred’iavit’ v sude dlia dokazatel’stva togo chto u nego bylo lawful authority.
Dlia celei I-130 USCIS na svoem websaite daet razreshenie delat’ liubuiu kopiu, hot’ golograficheskuiu. Vozmojno, emu dali dlia drugoi celi, ili togda kogda websaita ne bylo.
I eto rarzeshenie - v ramkah zakona, poskol’ku USCIS i est’ ta samaia preslovutaia lawful authority, o kotoroi govorit zakon.
You can safely make as many photocopies as you’ll need, especially before applying for your US passport, for you’ll have to part with your certificate of naturalization for a few days when applying for a passport.
Da, ia soglasen, mnogie lawyery ne znaiut zakona. Tem bolee oni lawyery immigracionnye i divorce/separation lawyery, a ne specialisty v oblasti federal’nogo ugolovnogo zakona. Krome togo, ia poiskal ih na wikipedii, i ne nashel. Maloizvestnye lawyery bez vysokogo avtoriteta.
Shusterman dovol’no ne prostoi lawyer, 35 let staja, plius neskol’ko processov, vyigrannyh v apelliacionnyh sudah, plius
Carl is a former Chairman of the American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA), Southern California Chapter and served as a member of Shusterman AILA’s national Board of Governors (1988-97). He has chaired numerous AILA Committees, spoken at dozens of AILA Conferences and has contributed a number of scholarly articles to AILA’s publications
Poetomu kogda ego mnenie protivorechit mneniu maloizvestnyh iuyristov, ia by odnoznachno veril emu, ne im. Chto, ia, sobstvenno, i delaiu
Odnako, tut my imeem neskol’ko lawyerov, kotorye bozhatsia, chto kopirovat’ mojno. Ia by ispol’zoval eto obstoiatel’stvo.
Vam nujna backup kopia? Otlichno. Shodite k etomu lawyeru, kotoryi razreshaet, i poprosite ego sdelat’ vam backup kopiu. Tol’ko prover’te chto etot chelovek deistvitel’no lawyer.
Zakon zaprescaet kopirovat’ sertifikat vam. I emu. No esli kopiruet on, to vy ne otvechaete, otvechaet on. Kazalos’ by, chto prosce?!
Sledovatel’no, vy-taki ne ochen’ sledili za diskussiei i eto priznaete.
U nas v etoi teme net lawyerov, naskol’ko ia ponimaiu, bezotnosiutel’no k avtoritetu. Problema lish’ v tom, chto otvet na etot vopros edinyi, i ne zavisit ot togo, est’ v gruppe lawyery ili net, i kakoi u nih avtoritet. Ili vy schitaete chto dlia gruppoy s lawyerami kopirovat’ nel’zia, a bez nih - mojno?!
Ia s udovol’stviem poslushau teh kto predlagaet cel’nuiu interpretaciu zakona, otlichnuiu ot moei. No ia budu zadavat’ neubobnye voprosy. Estestvenno, menia ne ustroit ob’iasnenie tipa “mojno”. Menia budet interesovat’ pochemu imenno eti obe stat’i vse je razreshaiut kopirovanie, kto etot “lawful authority”, a takje pochemu USCIS pozvoliaet kopirovanie dlia celei I-130, a takje pochemu strannye nadpisi na dokumentah ego zaprescaiut, a takje pochemu policia hvataet v Kinko’s, a takje chto oznachaet otvet Shustermana. No eto dlia nachala. Vse kto hochet izlojit’ sviaznuiu interpretaciu zakona, please
Zametim chto moe videnie ne soderjit protivorechii, iavliaetsia cel’nym i neprotivorechivym, i ne nravitsia nekotorym forumchanam lish’ tem chto zaprescaet delat’ backup copies, potomu chto v ostal’nyh prakticheskih primeneniah ono malo otlichaetsia ot togo chto pytaiutsia skazat’ na forumah.
